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Anger as ICANN’s member flops before board

Kevin Murphy, September 4, 2015, 08:15:04 (UTC), Domain Policy

ICANN’s board of directors came to blows with its key accountability working group this week, over proposals that would give ICANN the community the right to sue ICANN the organization.

An extraordinary three-hour teleconference between the board and the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing Accountability (CCWG) Wednesday night came across like some kind of weird, Orwellian, passive-aggressive piece of emotional domestic abuse.

The CCWG, a group of volunteers coming from all parts of the ICANN community, has created a set of proposals for improving ICANN’s accountability to the community as part of its transition process away from US government oversight.

The idea is to create sufficient accountability mechanisms so that if in future the entire ICANN board grows goatee beards and turns Eeevil, the community will still be able to hold them to their bylaws commitments.

The CCWG, following the advice of an independent law firm, decided that the best way to do this was to turn ICANN into a membership organization with a “Sole Member”.

This member would be a legal entity run by community members that would have the right under California law to sue ICANN if it ever failed to live up to its bylaws.

For example, if ICANN refused to implement the decisions of an Independent Review Panel, the member could seek to have the ruling enforced by a court.

This is just one of many proposals made by the CCWG currently open for public comment.

Highly unusually for a public comment period, the ICANN board is going to be a commenter in this case. While its comments have not been published yet, it has taken advice from its lawyers at Jones Day that may give an indication of how it is leaning.

Wednesday night’s call was designed to give the board the chance to bring its initial thinking to the CCWG.

Instead, it wound up being almost entirely about the proposed membership model and the board’s statements that while it supported the CCWG’s proposals 100% it also wanted them fundamentally rewritten.

The board wants the idea of a Sole Member model thrown out and replaced with a new arbitration process that would be legally enforceable in California courts.

So, instead of a legal-entity “member” suing ICANN, some as-yet unidentified community entity would take ICANN to arbitration. The decision of the arbitration panel could then be enforced by the courts if ICANN failed to abide by it.

When CCWG members asked who, in the absence of a legal entity, would take ICANN to arbitration and then sue it, the board had no answer. Instead, directors said the CCWG’s legal advisers should talk to Jones Day to hammer out the “technical” details.

Some members claimed that it would be “impossible” to give the community legal standing to sue ICANN without a membership model. Others said that the board’s 11th hour suggested rewrites would make it “impossible” to hit the deadline for a final proposal by the Dublin meeting next month.

At least a third of the 2-hour 47-minute call was wasted as the CCWG struggled to understand the doublespeak the board had brought into the discussion.

Directors continually insisted that they “completely supported” CCWG’s proposals on enforcement “without reservation”, while simultaneously saying the Sole Member model should be thrown out.

Half way through the call, CCWG co-chair Thomas Rickert reflected exasperation among members: “There is obviously difficulty to understand by many on this call how you fully support what we are doing while proposing something which appears like a complete rewrite.”

Shortly thereafter, Chehade responded:

Why don’t we just agree that we are agreeing with you that the community must be able to get enforcement in California courts, that we will ensure that they have the standing to do it without question. And if we are all in agreement that we are in agreement with each other let’s then let the technical people go solve this. If they call come back and tell us that frankly that advice was flawed, then let’s deal with it then in good faith. But that’s what we’re sharing with you.

Directors said that the proposed member model might have unintended consequences, and that the US government may not approve a proposal that overly complicates ICANN’s legal structure.

An hour later, the CCWG was still scratching its head, nerves were beginning to wear, and the tone was getting increasingly testy as the CCWG repeatedly asked the board to explain how it could express support and simultaneously propose an alternative solution.

“There is absolutely no new proposal,” Chehade said, eventually. “We are embracing your proposal and the objectives of the community. Please hear me on this. There is no new proposal.”

He said:

Take your work and break it down: board removal, standing reconsideration, enhancing – getting the IRP back on the track we set, you know, fundamental bylaw, binding arbitration or mechanisms of enforceability. All of the things you have come up with, we are accepting. So when your reaction to our two last hours is that we’re refusing to add any accountability, I don’t know how you come to that frankly…

you yourself in the proposal say that this proposal is not finished, it needs a lot of work. So what we’re saying to you is let’s take this proposal which is not finished and let’s figure out ways to make it real, and real in the next few weeks so we can move forward…

The only area where we are telling you we would like to propose a different mechanism to achieve the same goal is the enforceability.

The whole three hours reminded me of a nightmare-scenario interview where the interviewee has been media-trained up the wazoo and refuses to sway from a set of vaguely scripted talking points.

But which proposal is the right one for ICANN?

Beats me. What does seem quite clear to me is that the board and CCWG are at odds now, despite what ICANN says, and that the expected delivery of a final accountability proposal by Dublin is in serious doubt.

Following the call, ICANN chair Steve Crocker posted a blog post that sought to clarify the board’s position, characterizing it as agreement in principle but disagreement on implementation. He wrote:

We have suggestions on how these [CCWG proposals] could be operationalized. With regards to the mechanisms for community enforceability, where the current proposal still warrants much detail that may not be achievable we have a suggestion on how to deliver on it in a stable way, as increased enforceability must not open up questions of, for example, capture or diminishing of checks and balances.

The Wednesday meeting’s audio, transcript and other notes can all be found here.

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Comments (13)

  1. Michele says:

    There’s also talk of another face to face meeting being held in LA at the end of September..
    While I appreciate that resolving this is important, most of the CCWG members also have day jobs ie. they are volunteers and they’ve already put a huge amount of time and effort into this project. Now they’re being expected to trek half way across the globe for several days of face to face meetings .. and a couple of weeks later they’ll all be at the ICANN meeting
    And ICANN wonders why there’s volunteer overload and burnout?

    • Phil Buckingham says:

      Hi Michele ,Kevin , as a volunteer on the CCWG I have asked ICANN to at least pay for travel expenses for me to attend LA . That should apply to any participant who have attended at least 10 calls IMO . I am sure the Board members can claim back their expenses. And yes I am burnt out ! Did u see the Jones Day(ICANN lawyers )report y day – another 74 pages of legal speak.

      FYI , The CCWG is awaiting a SWOT analysis matrix report from the Board . Fadi promised Monday .

  2. James Bladel says:

    While I don’t speak for the entirety of the CCWG, I sense that much of the frustration comes from the Board being woefully unprepared to respond to questions about its Alternative “Community Enforcement Model,” and falling back on generic FUD about “destabilizing the model” and “unintended consequences,” and “political sensitivities.”

    There are also the practical problems associated with introducing fundamental changes this late in the game. Why now? It’s not as if CCWG as been working in the dark for the past year…

    • Michele says:

      James
      Did they ever give any usable example of “unintended consequences”? I know they kept referring to them .. but no idea if they ever clarified what they were..

      Michele

      • James Gannon says:

        No. Which just added to our frustrations.

      • James Bladel says:

        The “Why Now?” question also warrants a closer look, especially since the CCWG/IANA deadline appears to have gone out the window.

        I can think of at least two reasons: either ICANN (and Jones Day) only now completed an analysis of the CCWG proposal, or NTIA let it be know via back channels that it wasn’t happy with the direction of the group. Both would be valid concerns, but at this stage in the game it would be better if we could have those conversations out in the open.

        • Michele says:

          James
          If NTIA aren’t happy I’d have expected them to say something to CCWG people directly .. they’ve been pretty good about that to date ..
          If it’s a Jones Day / ICANN issue it’s a totally different matter

          M

  3. Graham Schreiber says:

    The NTIA aren’t saying anything, nor will ICANN [aka Jones Day] until the 28th of September, or shortly thereafter.

    Remember …

    “Whacky lawsuit targets ICANN, eNom, CentralNic, NetSol, Verisign”

    Kevin Murphy, September 18, 2012.

    Domain Registrars ICANN and several domain name companies have been slapped with a bizarre, virtually incomprehensible anti-cybersquattng lawsuit in Virginia.

    Well, SCOTUS is now involved, with a Mandamus to make the FTC enforce it’s statutus on ICANN, to protect consumers, from Fake.cc.COMs.

    Regards Graham.

  4. Philip Corwin says:

    The original notion of a CCWG-Board F2F in LA was highly problematic, as it implies a bilateral negotiation session totally outside the standard publication and comment process that raises multiple issues of procedure and fairness.
    After I raised that point in the chat during the call and in the CCWG email string after, Bruce Tonkin suggested that other stakeholder groups could participate as well — but that’s just his suggestion, not a Board offer, and I’m not sure it solves anything as all those groups are represented on the CCWG.
    Unless there is a defined and accepted purpose for a F2F and an advance understanding of how its outcome fits into the overall process it seems more dangerous to hold it than not. If the 3 hour call was a “kind of weird, Orwellian, passive-aggressive piece of emotional domestic abuse”, a poorly conceived two day event could devolve into the most awful “family” therapy event of all time.
    Finally, here’s something to ponder: Is the Board to be regarded as just another stakeholder group in evaluating its input, or should its views be given more or less weight, given that the object of this exercise is to make ICANN more accountable, which translates in large part into making the Board more accountable?

    • John McElwaine says:

      Phil, Agree completely and was wondering the same myself. It seems to me that the Board needs to be careful about asserting itself too forcefully (and unilaterally) in the process.

  5. Eberhard Lisse says:

    For the record,

    the comment about agreeing to agree was ascribed to Steve Crocker, but was actally made by Mr Chehade.

    That said I consider myself fortunate having had to miss Mr Chehade’s waffling, and being able to read the transcript. Even if the Chat comments are not synchronized with it which would make for more fun.

    el

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